To the public and the press, Washington, D.C.-based FreedomWorks Tea Party head Dick Armey has attempted to paint the Tea Parties as a movement by “real” Americans concerned (only) about fiscal policy and government debt. He has pooh-poohed evidence of hard-core racists in his movement. And he has pretended that there is not an anti-democratic (small d) bone in the Tea Party body. Such declarations have led some analysts to claim that the Tea Parties constitute some sort of “populist” movement, in which the voice of “the people,” however distorted, can be heard.
In a stunning set of declarations aimed at the Tea Party faithful, however, Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips sounded more like an economic and political royalist. On the November 17 edition of his Tea Party Nation internet radio program, Phillips said: ”The Founding Fathers originally said, they put certain restrictions on who gets the right to vote. It wasn’t you were just a citizen and you got to vote. Some of the restrictions, you know, you obviously would not think about today. But one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community. If you’re not a property owner, you know, I’m sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners.”
So wait - what if you have a mortgage, the bank *technically* owns your house. If you rent, you don’t matter. My reaction to this:
“Daughters aren’t to be independent. They’re not to act outside the scope of their father. As long as they’re under the authority of their fathers, fathers have the ability to nullify or not the oaths and the vows. Daughters can’t just go out independently and say, ‘I’m going to marry whoever I want.’ No. The father has the ability to say, ‘No, I’m sorry, that has to be approved by me.’”
There’s a lot of talk in American mainstream media lately about the diminishing role of men — fathers, in particular. Have feminism and reproductive technology made them obsolete? Are breadwinning wives and career-oriented mothers emasculating them?
No such uncertainty exists in the mind of Doug Phillips, the man quoted above. The San Antonio minister is the founder of Vision Forum, a beachhead for what’s known as the Christian Patriarchy Movement, a branch of evangelical Christianity that takes beliefs about men as leaders and women as homemakers to anachronistic extremes. Vision Forum Ministries is, according to its Statements of Doctrine, “committed to affirming the historic faith of Biblical Christianity,” with special attention to the historical faith found in the book of Genesis, when God created Eve as a “helper” to Adam. According to Christian Patriarchy, marriage bonds man (the symbol of Christ) to woman (the symbol of the Church). It’s a model that situates husbands and fathers in a position of absolute power: If a woman disobeys her “master,” whether father or husband, she’s defying God. Thus, women in the Christian Patriarchy Movement aren’t just stay-at-home mothers — they’re stay-at-home daughters as well. And many of them wouldn’t have it any other way.
The stay-at-home-daughters movement, which is promoted by Vision Forum, encourages young girls and single women to forgo college and outside employment in favor of training as “keepers at home” until they marry. Young women pursuing their own ambitions and goals are viewed as selfish and antifamily; marriage is not a choice or one piece of a larger life plan, but the ultimate goal. Stay-at-home daughters spend their days learning “advanced homemaking” skills, such as cooking and sewing, and other skills that at one time were a necessity — knitting, crocheting, soap- and candle-making. A father is considered his daughter’s authority until he transfers control to her husband…
Integral to Vision Forum’s belief about female submission is making sure women are not independent at any point in their lives, regardless of age; hence the organization’s enthusiasm for stay-at-home daughterhood. The most visible proponents of this belief are Anna Sofia and Elizabeth Botkin, sisters and authors of the book So Much More: The Remarkable Influence of Visionary Daughters on the Kingdom of God (published by Vision Forum), and creators of the documentary film Return of the Daughters, which follows several young women staying home until marriage, and details how they spend their time serving their fathers. One woman, Melissa Keen, 25, helps put on Vision Forum’s annual Father-Daughter Retreat, an event that’s described on Vision Forum’s website in terms that are, in a word, discomfiting. (“He leads her, woos her, and wins her with a tenderness and affection unique to the bonds of father and daughter.”) Another, 23-year-old Katie Valenti, enthuses that her father “is the greatest man in my life. I believe that helping my father in his business is a better use of my youth and is helping prepare me to be a better helpmeet for my future husband, rather than indulging in selfishness and pursuing my own success and selfish ambitions.” (A video of Valenti’s 2009 wedding to Phillip Bradrick shows her father announcing into a microphone that he is “transferring my authority to you, Phillip.”)
In So Much More, the Botkin sisters claim women were much happier before being legally considered men’s equals, although, unsurprisingly, they reference no studies, scholarship, or evidence for this. They do, however, quote extensively from girls described as “21st-century heroines of the faith,” or “the young heroines of the underground feminist resistance movement,” who claim following submission teachings changed their lives. A stay-at-home daughter named Sarah, for instance, aspired to be an attorney before realizing that her career ambitions displeased God; Fiona left home for college at 18, only to return five years later having experienced much “grief and depression.”
I really cannot see the difference between this and any other patriarchal oppression of women in any other religious sect. The difference? This is more mainstream just because it’s based off the Christian God and the Bible. The girls may claim they wouldn’t want it any other way, but I can’t believe that they’re making an objective choice - especially when the father is the only one who can make that choice and if the woman shows free will, that’s defiance of God.
This is similar to the oppression claimed by Christians in regards to Islam. There is no way that these girls have a chance to choose. When you look at the Amish, many give the children a chance to decide whether or not to remain in the sect by allowing them to experience the outside world. There is no option for these girls in the Vision Forum Ministries movement. This is brainwashing.
“There Is A Voice Inside Of You
That Whispers All Day Long,
I Feel That This Is Right For Me,
I Know That This Is Wrong.”
No Teacher, Preacher, Parent, Friend
Or Wise Man Can Decide
What’s Right For You- Just Listen To
The Voice That Speaks Inside.”—Shel Silverstein
“But my family and I…thick skin…we can take it, you know…we can take what the haters say despite the fact that there’s injustice in the situation. I mean, look at the other day. Willow, finally, my 16 year old, she had had it up to here with somebody saying very, very hateful things about the family and saying mean things about her little brother Trig, and Willow finally responded and she used a bad word when she responded in defense of her family. And her response became national news, even hard news copy it turned into, so that’s ridiculous and I had to explain to her, ‘Willow, there is no justice here but you have to just zip your lip and let’s move forward.’”—
Sarah Palin responding to her daughter Willow using the word “faggot” amongst other derogatory slurs on Facebook
Gee, Sarah, thanks for sticking up for the gays… and no one said anything about your son.
except that willow was responding to people not liking her mother’s habit of pimping out her children on television for a profit that is unimaginable and undeserved. i haven’t ever heard anyone say anything ‘mean’ about trig, except that his name is ridiculous. which it is. sarah palin often tried to rewrite history, and we need to remember that she called for rahm’s resignation for using the word ‘retarded.’ and we all definitely know if one of the obama daughters had said ‘faggot’ on a public forum, she would have spoken out against the obamas’ parenting. so…fuck you, sarah palin.
Um, I read the whole thing. No mention of Trig, and the whole bitchfest started over some guy writing that the show sucked. From there, it degenerated fast. Those girls have the same mean girl attitude as their mother. Everything is an attack and none of it is justified, blah blah blah blah.
I wonder what would have happened if the Palin girls started tossing around racial slurs? Would that be no big deal either?
Palin responds to her “our ally North Korea” gaffe. Does she: A) apologize for the mix up? B) point out that it was obvious what she really meant, or C) post a list of every gaffe or slip of the tongue Obama’s ever made
I just hate her so much. And this lady thinks she’s qualified to run the U.S.
Sarah Palin never left high school. Seriously. This is how she deals with her mistakes, by being a catty, bitchy mean girl and saying, “Yeah, but that kid, you know, the one that’s a foreigner, said way worse things than me. He’s such a loser.”
I bet she thinks 2012 is all about class president and boy, she’ll be pissed if China and Russia exclude her from the lunch table at the UN because she’s so annoying. “BUT I’M AMERICA! I’M EXCEPTIONAL! YOU CAN’T DO THIS WAAHHH!” It’ll never sink in that president is a bigger deal than head cheerleader.
The US is really ramping up its war on intellectual property infringement, a war which I’m sure will be just as successful, cheap and supported by the people as the wars on drugs and terrorism. The US has started seizing the domain names of various websites through ICANN - not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them. Anyone want to take a guess how long it will be before the US government blocks WikiLeaks? Update: The blocks function outside of the US too. In other words, the US is forcing its views upon the rest of the world once again.
The current seizures of domains did not even use the recently passed censorship law. The seizures come from the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, and cover about 70 websites relating to potential copyright infringement and counterfeit goods, among which is Torrent-Finder.com, a mere torrent search engine which does not host or even link to torrents; it displays content hosted elsewhere through embedded iframes.
“My domain has been seized without any previous complaint or notice from any court!” the owner of Torrent-Finder explained TorrentFreak, “I firstly had DNS downtime. While I was contacting GoDaddy I noticed the DNS had changed. Godaddy had no idea what was going on and until now they do not understand the situation and they say it was totally from ICANN.”
In an age when far-right tea party activists have taken over the Republican Party and demanded lockstep allegiance, Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) has been one of the few GOP lawmakers to step out of line. In particular, Lugar, the ranking GOP member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has blasted his own party for relentlessly blocking ratification of the New START nuclear arms treaty with Russia, calling on his fellow GOP senators to “do your duty for your country” and complete the pact.
Not surprisingly, this insubordination has earned Lugar significant scorn within the Republican base, which now seems to value blind obedience over principled independent decision-making. In a New York Times profile of Lugar published today, former GOP Sen. John Danforth feared that the backlash against Lugar from his own party signals that the GOP has gone “far overboard” with no hope of turning back:
“If Dick Lugar,” said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri, “having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”
Mr. Danforth, who was first elected the same year as Mr. Lugar, added, “I’m glad Lugar’s there and I’m not.”
I’d agree with that. I hope that’s the case, and I’d argue it’s the same for the Democratic Party and their consistent lack of backbone.
It seems like, whenever I react with horror about some obscene abuse that’s been committed against an oppressed person, inevitably a PDD will show up to scoff at how “naive” I am. This is my “fuck you” to all those PDDs.
It’s morning in America and you can be your best You have a valid credit card and can pass a urine test And it’s midnight in El Salvador they’re spending dollars in your name It’s no bloody consolation Reagan cannot run again
They’ll trade with the Ayatollah If they can’t convince Congress That the only type of patriot is an anti-communist And I shake my head and wonder what would Joe McCarthy say if he could walk through downtown Washington DC today
The CIA on campus are taking down some names Inviting folks to join them in their coke and dagger games And does it ever prick your conscience as we are the world you sing when you know today we’re so far away from the dreams of Martin Luther King
The brotherhood of the elephant and the party of the arse are desperate for contestants to take part in the farce of selling democracy down the tubes with the ad man’s expertise The majority by their silence will pay for days like these
Peace, bread, work and freedom are the best we can achieve Wearing badges is not enough In days like these
The in jail for debt thing nearly happened to me too. I couldn't pay my bill for court ordered outpatient drug treatment and they suspended me from treatment. This was at NWMH (that will mean something if you live in Wyoming) and since I wasn't attending treatment I went to jail in violation of my probation. I was on for probation for over a year, no violations no positive drug tests, nothing. I got put in jail and had to wait for a hearing. My bail was too high and I lost my job but then my girlfriend's parents paid the over $2800 I owed. Between child support (I ALWAYS pay that in full, that's my child), high rent in Sheridan and only working part time I couldn't even afford what the sliding scale said I could. I'm falling behind again and I'll probably go back to jail if I fall too far behind. I have not been able to find a job because I lost my last one for being in jail and I'm a felon now because of drugs. I really have no reason to keep trying to stay sober and go to treatment except for my daughter. Without her, I'd just put a bullet in my head because I am worth nothing to anyone. I keep hearing "Pay your bills and you won't have these problems" but I can't. I want to and I can't. I got my car repossessed and I lost my apartment after I got out of jail (it took a month to make bail and I was already behind on everything) I live with my girlfriend but I feel like she knows I'm a deadbeat. I have credit card companies after me after I couldn't make the payment anymore, I didn't have enough hours for unemployment.
Sorry to take up your ask box thing and mope but I think it's cool people can ask you quesitions. my girlfriend follows your blog here and she showed me the debt post. Glad you pointed that out about Wyoming because it really sets people back who are trying to go forward.
So my question is this: why would they do this to people who are struggling and then let people get away with fraud just cause they're rich? Like Wall Street?
Anon, you just broke my heart. I have heard about this through being a criminal justice major and through people like yourself. I know the agency you’re talking about in Sheridan and they have to do the sliding fee scale according to Federal Poverty guidelines. However, I’m not sure if you have asked them to re-evaluate your situation or not. If not, please do. Tell them what you told me. There’s no reason they shouldn’t have asked you what was going on if you weren’t making your bill and it was reaching such a high amount.
I’m glad someone stepped forward to help. It sounds like your girlfriend and her parents really do care about you, and you should also include them as a reason to keep pressing forward.
Ask your PO if they know of any place that hires felons. Sometimes, they know if a certain place doesn’t have a problem. Also, check out large corporations like K-Mart and Wal-Mart because they get a tax deduction for hiring people recently released from prison or jail.
As for your question, I wish I knew. I really wish I could answer that question… It tears me apart that I can’t answer that for you, myself, or anyone else. It’s unjust.
It’s not a crime to owe money, and debtors’ prisons were abolished in the United States in the 19th century. But people are routinely being thrown in jail for failing to pay debts. In Minnesota, which has some of the most creditor-friendly laws in the country, the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009, a Star Tribune analysis of state court data has found.
Not every warrant results in an arrest, but in Minnesota many debtors spend up to 48 hours in cells with criminals. Consumer attorneys say such arrests are increasing in many states, including Arkansas, Arizona and Washington, driven by a bad economy, high consumer debt and a growing industry that buys bad debts and employs every means available to collect.
Whether a debtor is locked up depends largely on where the person lives, because enforcement is inconsistent from state to state, and even county to county.
In Illinois and southwest Indiana, some judges jail debtors for missing court-ordered debt payments. In extreme cases, people stay in jail until they raise a minimum payment. In January, a judge sentenced a Kenney, Ill., man “to indefinite incarceration” until he came up with $300 toward a lumber yard debt.
This can happen to people on probation as well. If you don’t pay your bill for court-ordered drug treatment, and you’re doing everything else right (i.e. working, going to school, staying sober, etc), the State of Wyoming will throw you in jail until you can pay that bill or until you have a plan.
This is where we’re heading in other states as well with court fines - can’t pay it, go to jail, possibly losing your job, your home, your kids, etc. because you don’t have the money to pay a debt. How is this a helpful solution? Anyone who says the class war doesn’t exist is full of shit.
Palin peddles a shallow narcissism dressed in ‘empowering’ feminist language.
Listen up, all you champions of women’s rights, Sarah Palin has a message for you. All that stuff about equal pay, controlling your own body, putting an end to domestic violence and rape: that’s a whole lotta tired old hooey. There’s a new feminism afoot, a feminism that’s moved beyond the issues of economic justice and your right not to be beaten and violated, and it’s all about Sarah.
In her new book, America By Heart, Palin takes aim at the feminists who blazed the trail to political agency that Palin now walks, accusing Hillary Clinton of “bra-burning militancy” and Gloria Steinem and second-wave feminists of obsession with domestic violence and rape.
This woman would not know feminism if it crept up behind her and yelled “boo!” - And then subsequently explained all the things Sarah enjoys now (like running for national office and having a career without anyone having the right to tell her to stay home and take care of her five kids, one with special needs, because that’s what women do). I wonder if she’s ever realized that the kind of “feminism” she’s espousing would lead to her knowing her place, getting back in the kitchen and making a sandwich for Todd, while keeping her mouth shut and not being more famous or making more money than him - that’s the picture I see from “conservative feminism.”
To test your knowledge of prominent people and major events in the news, we invite you to take our short 12-question quiz. Then see how you did in comparison with 1,001 randomly sampled adults asked the same questions in a national survey conducted Nov. 11-14, 2010 by the Pew Research Center.
I did better than 99% of the public by correctly answering every question. That depresses me.
The United States has become mired in a complex web of economic instruments that are directly tied to the so-called “bubble” economy. Some economists held them as potential means to assist Americans buy homes, but others think these instruments have merely enabled fraudulent behavior that wrecked the U.S. economy. Making matters worse is the dearth of understanding among many in the public and the exploitation of that misunderstanding by particular politicians, according to author and journalist Matt Taibbi. His latest book, Griftopia: Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids and the Long Con That is Breaking America, identifies some of the personalities and looming problems within the troubled financial and political system.
I will read this over Christmas break. Fuck Glenn Beck, Matt Taibbi is a real truth seeker.
Re: (“Can our kids live with that?” Forum/Nov. 14).
Dee Lundberg has rightly commented that bullying is a “tragedy” that needs to stop. She suggests that her emphasis on combating bullying was to “introduce tolerance and acceptance of those who are different.”
Since in one way or another we are all different, it would take a journey to the extreme fringes of society to find anyone who would disagree. It was hard to escape the conclusion, however, that her real interest in opposing bullying was to see homosexual behavior legitimized. She would have us believe that homosexual sex is a difference like the difference between nationalities. Some people are Irish, some African, some are gay. We should appreciate the fact that she provided the statistics indicating that the “lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered and questioning youth are up to four times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers.”
The high suicide rate itself should be a signal that the gay lifestyle is problematic. She even notes that the “bullying” problem is responsible for one out of four suicides in our state. What about the other three? While it is unfortunately true that people can be found who “bully” and are “using God as a scapegoat” to promote their personal prejudices, bullying is not the exclusive behavior of those who disagree with gays. The gay community is also notorious for “outing” others in ways that are not too different from what happened to the Rutgers University freshman.
The film “Outrage” is a recent example. It is not just heterosexuals who are bullies. It would be more appropriate, however, to consider the gay socialization as a more reasonable explanation for the high suicide rates. When a sexually confused teen is told they need to get over their fear of being gay and accept their gay identity and even rejoice in it, they jettison whatever hopes they may have had in the heterosexual community. When they discover that the gay life is not as fulfilling, satisfying or guilt-free as they expected it to be, there is no escape. The person who has been labeled as gay will be told, “You are gay and it is wrong to even suggest that you could change.” Counselors lose their jobs for suggesting that it is even possible for gays to change their orientation.
Charles Plant feels fine placing his title of Doctor before his name as if that gives his analysis legitimacy [newsflash: not a doctor] but cannot afford Rev. Lundberg her title. His letter is full of the very bullying he’s so concerned about.
I wonder if he thought about the high incidence of suicide in GLBTQ youth being at ALL connected to hatred like he is exhibiting. This is not Christ’s love. This is not love, period.
The conservative news site The Daily Callerhas removed part of an article that suggested lesbians be allowed into the US military so that their male colleagues can “convert” them.
Critics say the article went as far as to suggest corrective rape for lesbians.
"Lesbians should be allowed to serve, gay men should not," declared Joe Rehyansky in an article published Monday. Rehyansky, an Army veteran who served in Vietnam, is a part-time magistrate in Hamilton County, Tennessee, and a former assistant district attorney.
In the original article, Rehyansky concluded that his lesbians-only policy “would get the distaff part of our homosexual population off our collective ‘Broke Back,’ thus giving straight male GIs a fair shot at converting lesbians and bringing them into the mainstream.”
That alarmed some LGBT activists, who note that much of the article before that comment argued that men are rapists by nature. Rehyansky’s argument that gay men should continue to be banned from the military was based on this notion:
[S]houldn’t the overwhelmingly straight warriors who answer their county’s call be spared the indignity of showering with other men who achieve lascivious enjoyment from the sight of those lithe naked bodies, and who may be tempted to seek more than the view? They are, after all, guys.
In the early evolutionary years of the human species, Rehyansky argued, “It fell to men to swing through the trees and scour the caves in search of as many women as possible to subdue and impregnate — a tough job but someone had to do it.”
There are literally no words to express my anger here. This is just vile. I’ve heard this pseudo-intellectual evolutionary argument in many contexts, but this is the most disgusting. This man is the ultimate privilege denying dude, and unlike the meme, it’s not funny. At all.
After a week of furious media coverage, which even resulted in job loss for one of the participants, the creators of the website “Birthornot.com," who claimed they were considering aborting a healthy pregnancy if enough people voted for them to do so, now state they are not aborting and that this was intended to "start a discussion."
Pete Arnold told CNN that he bought the “BirthorNot” website domain name before his wife Alisha was born [sic] to spark debate. He conceded that they never meant to have an abortion.
“My intent is not to deceive people, but at the same point, I do want people to talk about this. This seemed like a pretty good way to further the discussion, because people don’t ever seem to want to talk about it for real if there’s no name on it, no Baby Wiggles,” he said.
The couple bated viewers with stories expressing doubts about carrying the child to the full term. They also posted several sonograms, pictures of a gender test proclaiming Alisha Arnold was having a boy and referring to the baby as “Wiggles.”
It’s quite a different speech than Pete Arnold was giving during his copious media interviews, TheNineNews points out:
When the abortion poll was first mentioned in the media last week, Mr Arnold insisted it was a genuine vote.
"If people come to the conclusion that it’s meant to be a stunt, that’s definitely not the case," Mr Arnold said in an interview, where he also denied claims he and his wife were political activists.
"We are taking this very seriously. It’s definitely not a pro-life campaign, we believe in a woman’s right to choose — if it’s overwhelming one way or the other, that will carry a lot more weight."
Local media later reported that the website was a hoax after it was discovered he had online accounts which he used to post pro-life messages on right-wing websites.
Rather than starting a discussion about the value of life, or the value of voting, thy seemed to have started two different conversations: a) whether the site was just an anti-choice stunt that would end in a “change of heart” and b) whether the couple should be allowed to raise a child in the first place, two topics that both commenters and bloggers weighed in heavily on.
Pete Arnold still claims the site was not a “hoax,” (although, as Tracy Clark-Flory says “Get this man a dictionary, stat!”), but his wife is saying something much more interesting — that her views were not being heard and for her, abortion was in fact an option.
Although my intentions about this pregnancy may have changed over the course of the last few months I definitely didn’t start out feeling confident about proceeding with it. I was very scared and anxious that I wasn’t healed emotionally from the previous miscarriages to be in the right frame of mind to continue an unexpected pregnancy. …
I had a feeling this was a sick Balloon Boy style stunt. I am beginning to feel bad for his wife - she’s also the one who lost her job. I still think that Baby Wiggles will one day Google his parents (or himself) and develop a very strong hatred for his parents. However pro-choice people responded to this issue on the site, they lost. However pro-life people responded, they lost. Everyone’s a loser in this situation, especially the Arnolds.
Recently, the science blogs have been highlighting the Science Cheerleaders.
Some bloggers, such as Scicurious have expressed their reservations in a manner that is straightforward and which I find myself agreeing with.
So. Science rock stars? Or science cheerleaders? I’m not sure that either is really doing any good. And it’s not because they don’t love science, they DO. Rather, it’s because, to make science cool, you can’t just associate scientists with cool or popular things, like cheerleaders or rock stars. You have to make it cool to DO SCIENCE. That means more than having rock stars be rock stars next to scientists, or cheerleaders cheering at scientific meetings. That means, maybe, having the rock stars try science. Having these cheerleaders, who can sure has heck DO science, doing their work. People may say that “that’s not something Sheryl Crow would do”. Well, maybe if she’s into science and into making science look cool, IT IS.
While I don’t think that either the rock stars of science or the science cheerleaders themselves are all bad, I think we can do better. But I think that doing better may have to involve something more than pom poms and guitars. It may have to involve…some science.
While others, while if you actually were presented a cogent statement and not just screaming and yelling would make many valid points, have been much, much more vitriolic:
Here’s my top of the lungs scream in SUPPORT of Science Cheerleaders:
All girls love cheerleaders, unless they are (a) ugly hairy legged feminazis who can’t get laid, (b) ugly hairy legged feminazi lesbian bulldyke ballcrushers, or (c) ugly sad pathetic uncoordinated wannabes who didn’t make cheerleader in high school. It’s a fact. Groups (a), (b), and (c) are at high risk of becoming scientists. This is unattractive and unappealing for dudes in science.
Yeah. Totally not attaching any gender normative stereotypes to anyone there…
Science Cheerleaders is, at the very best, an outreach program for already-privileged girls who are already interested in science/engineering but who are afraid it will make them look like fat lesbians.
The problem with that style of response is that it does nothing for the dialogue, just whole handedly smears large groups of society, be it by their looks, their activities, their position in life, their sexuality, all while claiming to be in the name of feminism.
Abbie Smith and Jen McCreight have both said what I was thinking, when I read the above screed. Read both if you have the chance.
Mixing their brains and their cool— exactly what I think is a practical approach to coolness, if you really want to go there.
These women are great— They were college athletes, in the sciences. Its hard enough missing classes for travel, but missing science classes and labs, and still keeping your grades up? Awesome. Wide variety of ethnic backgrounds. Wide variety of specialties, from NASA engineers to ER nurses. And what I think is most amazing— these women have professional careers on top of their professional careers. They were professional cheerleaders and professional scientists/clinicians. No effin way I would even think about being a professional fighter on top of being a professional scientist. But these women have done it, and they are using their experiences to encourage young ones to go into science. YAY!
From Jen (emphasis hers):
It’s funny how feminists can’t comprehend the concept of letting women do what they want. Actually, no, it’s not funny anymore - it’s fucking aggravating. This is why people think all feminists are humorless, sexless man-haters - not because of your personal choices, but because you try to police others. Don’t try to pin the cause of feminist stereotypes on “sexy feminists” when you’re the ones perpetuating the stereotypes.
I think this is important because it is a battle that has been going on for some time and it does merit discussion. From a sociological viewpoint they’re both working from the culture they find themselves in. To be a cheerleader and a successful scientist is not an easy task and when you bash it, you take away their accomplishment just as much as much as any offense from the patriarchy. On the other side, a counter culture must anchor itself upon the culture it is in to define what the opposite is. So yes, it’s good to point these things out, but don’t mandate who is right. You’re probably being as much of a jerk.